The Rover-Landers of BC

hey guys building a snorkel for my 62 , i have the snorkel pretty close to being done , started looking at gutting the old oil bath air cleaner and thought i would ask what other people have done for an air cleaner ? , also i was going to make a mount for the windshield bracket and one for the windshield up by the mushroom cap to mount the snorkel. any ideas on either items ? any ideas or pics would be most appreciated. thanks troy

troy wrote:hey guys building a snorkel for my 62 , i have the snorkel pretty close to being done , started looking at gutting the old oil bath air cleaner and thought i would ask what other people have done for an air cleaner ? , also i was going to make a mount for the windshield bracket and one for the windshield up by the mushroom cap to mount the snorkel. any ideas on either items ? any ideas or pics would be most appreciated. thanks troy

Personally I am a big fan of the oil bath filter. Very, Very hard to suck water into your engine when it has to pass through oil :lol: . The challenge is finding, or fabricating a top section of the oil bath filter to accept your snorkel tube. You could blank off the air waffles at the top of the canister then weld in a side or even top receptacle for your snorkel tube. There was an actual Land Rover part that had this fitting, but I looked long and hard when I had my Series 3 to no avail. The other option is going directly to the carb...but make sure all of your joints are sealed tight and you should probably invest in a snorkel in-line filter as there would be nothing to keep the dust from entering the carb.

You rarely see snorkels on series trucks because you would have to be pretty deep (over the top of the engine :shock: ) to need one for water anyway. When I did the Canol in 2009 in my Series 3 1009 we did a lot of water crossings, and I never had any problems with water due to the built in protection offered by the oil bath air filter.

As far as attaching the snorkel, on my 110 (no oil bath filter) I have a bracket that required drilling a couple of holes through the side of the windscreen, then just attach the rigid portion of your pipe to the bracket.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11238044/snorkel.jpg

If you see the two black straps on the long tube below the mushroom cap, that is where the bracket is.

Hope this helps.

Here is a picture of a Series 3 with a snorkel for your mounting reference. I would use a flexible down pipe as per the previous shot of my 110...just in case you need or want to fold the windscreen down.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11238044/DSCI3524.jpg

thanks dave, the second pic of your s3 is basically the same type snorkel tube that i built , made it out of stainless pipe , after i posted last night it dawned on me that i could leave the oil bath and weld the top up weld a nipple on top to hook up the snorkel , thanks for the pics and the input , where the snorkel tube passes throught the top of the fender to the air box i was going to use a flexable hose , like an universal rad hose or something heavy like that , is yours like this ? troy

No my 110 has one...ist picture, but as mentioned on my 109 i never used a snorkel.

Cheers,

Dave

dave what colour was your s3 ? is it sand ? troy

Green!

Dave_F wrote:Very, Very hard to suck water into your engine when it has to pass through oil.......
You rarely see snorkels on series trucks because you would have to be pretty deep (over the top of the engine :shock: ) to need one for water anyway.

Whoa there big Dave, not sure why a series truck has much advantage over any other truck when it comes to not being susceptible to sucking water. Don't be under any illusions about the oil bath filter being able the withstand water being sucked into the engine, only the integrity of the joints and the height of the intake matter. Besides that, usually the truck will likely have stalled with a drowned distributor before the engine sucks water, if you're lucky.

Bill E. wrote:

Dave_F wrote:Very, Very hard to suck water into your engine when it has to pass through oil.......
You rarely see snorkels on series trucks because you would have to be pretty deep (over the top of the engine :shock: ) to need one for water anyway.

Whoa there big Dave, not sure why a series truck has much advantage over any other truck when it comes to not being susceptible to sucking water. Don't be under any illusions about the oil bath filter being able the withstand water being sucked into the engine, only the integrity of the joints and the height of the intake matter. Besides that, usually the truck will likely have stalled with a drowned distributor before the engine sucks water, if you're lucky.

We werent talking about electrics...only the snorkel! If your snorkel system is properly sealed, and connected to a properly sealed oil bath cleaner, connectec to a properly sealed carb connection...then yes i think this system offers a second level of protection over a standard air filter system.

Having done multiple water crossings in a standard oil bath system, with properly sealed electrics, both Shawn and my series trucks never had any problems with water during the Canol.

Sometimes i think Snorkels give an unrealistic perception of how deep you can go...one...and only one leak in the entire system can be fatal...oil bath or paper element type.

Obviously electrical connections need attention as well...die-electric grease, tight fittings, properly sealed sparks etc...

One neat thing with the oil bath in deep water is that it has built in safety warning for when you are sucking water into the intake... the water tends to displace some of the oil first and you get a huge smoke cloud out of the tail pipe. When this happens kill the engine right then before you hydraulic it.

Dave_F wrote:Very, Very hard to suck water into your engine when it has to pass through oil.......

...only one leak in the entire system can be fatal...oil bath or paper element type.

Pretty hard to have a go at you Dave if you're going to start taking both sides of this discussion


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Bill E. wrote:

Dave_F wrote:Very, Very hard to suck water into your engine when it has to pass through oil.......

...only one leak in the entire system can be fatal...oil bath or paper element type.

Pretty hard to have a go at you Dave if you're going to start taking both sides of this discussion


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I always look at the big picture :lol:

It strikes me that if the intake on the snorkel has to be higher than the roof of the truck one is in danger of drowning more than the engine.
However, what I really want to know, is how does the oil bath air intake work? Do not laugh at what is probably a dumb question but does air pass through the oil? And does the oil have to be changed ocassionally, which I have never done.
Larry

larry emrick wrote:It strikes me that if the intake on the snorkel has to be higher than the roof of the truck one is in danger of drowning more than the engine.
However, what I really want to know, is how does the oil bath air intake work? Do not laugh at what is probably a dumb question but does air pass through the oil? And does the oil have to be changed ocassionally, which I have never done.
Larry

Usually the snorkel is high, more for dust, than water. Yes, the air has to pass through the oil, and yes it needs to be changed, but make sure you don't over fill. There usually is a fill line inside of the lower cannister.

Hi Dave:

Thanks for the response. I took my breather apart to replace the oil only to discover that it as clean as the day in was put in. I can't remember having replaced it but perhaps I did, so I just put it back together again.
Larry

I built one on my Green 88" there are a couple pics in the 2004 Snowflake. I modified a S1 oil bath top, because it had no fins. As much as I liked the idea of a raised air, it was probably more trouble than it was worth. I never crossed any deeper water than I had done without it, and I'd done crossings with water coming over the Bonnet!!! On many occasions though, it got in the way on tight trails, and when pushing through trees/ scrub... The top getting ripped off more than once!!!

all done , put it on a couple of weekends ago, turned out good ( i think ) if i can figure out how to put pics on here i will post some . troy

hope this works but heres a pic , i made it out of stainless steel pipe so it will never rust , and used the oil bath took the vented top off and welded a piece of 90 degree stainless pipe to the center of the air cleaner. vent still opens , hood opens no problems , but very close , good guess when i drilled the hole :D

i was torn between making it straight up like this or have the mushroom top angled like the originals

Good Job...very nice and clean.